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The State of Massachusetts now officially recognizes so-called gay marriages.

Vermont, Connecticut, New Hampshire and New jersey (I trust my memory is serving me well), do not, but now do officially recognize gay unions.

Would someone explain in what way a "union" is not equivalent to a "marriage?"

I'm reminded of a lesson, by a former Winston-Salem Pastor, Rev. Dan Carr, given to an assembly of Pastors and Educators. He queried, "If you call a dogs tail, a leg, how many legs would  a dog have?" The question was rhetorical, so he gave the answer: "Four!" "Calling a dog's leg, a tail, doesn't make it one."

These five states have legalized marriage between homosexuals, no matter what they might call it.  

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JQPublix read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 7:15 PM

Looks like they are starting at number 8 and going backwards. So I guess number 7 is their next goal. From the 1972 Gay Rights Platform:

"STATE:

1. All federal legislation and programs enumerated in Demands 1, 6, 7, 8, and 9 above
should be implemented at the State level where applicable. (1972 State-1)
2. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons;
equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws. (1972
State-2)
3. Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and
laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female. (1972 State-3)
4. Enactment of legislation prohibiting insurance companies and any other state-regulated
enterprises from discriminating because of sexual orientation, in insurance and in
bonding or any other prerequisite to employment or control of one's personal demesne.
(1972 State-4)
5. Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights, foster
parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status.
(1972 State-5)
6. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting transvestism and cross-dressing. (1972 State-6)
7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent. (1972 State-7)
8. Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers. (1972 State-8)"

source: http://www.afa.net/homosexual_agenda/ha1972.htm

Just-Me-07 read my blog
Jan 2, 2008 | 7:32 PM

Take God out of our country, prayers out of school and public places, and the country goes down the toilet.

Atlantis
Jan 2, 2008 | 7:54 PM

I say let the gays get married, they should deserve to be just as miserable like the rest of married couples.

JQPublix read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 11:22 PM

I've never been married so I would never know how miserable it can be. But I do think you are misleading people with your remark.

I still think point seven merits consideration for remark.

JQPublix read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 11:33 PM

Here is the thing I have noticed so far considering point 7 in the submitted platform presented above. No gay activist will acknowledge it ever existed, and no gay activist will deny it ever existed.

Now ntseer. What do you think about the Independent Westboro Baptist Church which has liberal political affiliations?

homeschoolmom read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 8:32 AM

JQPublix, a marriage can be miserable if that is the way you want it. It takes work. You have to want a good marriage to have one. I have been married for 20 years and though we have had some rough times, it has only made us stronger. I love being married and don't consider it a misery. You are exactly right that it is misleading to say that being married is a miserable thing.

ntseer read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 3:11 PM

JQPublix, RE:

"Now ntseer. What do you think about the Independent Westboro Baptist Church which has liberal political affiliations?"

I assume you inquire concerning the infamous group in Topeka, Kansas?

Whenever one titles an independent Baptist church, the word "independent" should properly be spelled with a lower case "I."

An independent Baptist church is just that...independent, as an autonomous body. Such should be dependent upon our Lord Jesus, and in fellowship with other churches of like-faith. But, the same assembly answers to no one but God--not to government (within the bounds of legitimate law), and not to any religious hierarchy. They are, as an autonomous body free to do anything they are convicted to do. They also must be willing to reap the consequences of their actions.

As independent Baptists, they do not speak for my local, independent Baptist church. They may cast reproach upon our testimony, if they act in disobedience to God's Word. But, to those who understand, they do not represent us in what we believe and practice, for we have no denominational relationship.

The great thing about America: A person can believe anything one desires to--on his or her way to Hell. But only Biblical faith in Jesus Christ will gain us access to Heaven.

I'm in process of moving to a new location within our community, so I'll be unable to communicate with anyone for awhile, until I re-establish my internet connection.

JQPublix read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 8:23 PM

Hey HSM I agree with your thoughts.

ntseer thanks for clarifying the differences for me. I never intended to imply that your church and theirs are affiliated in any way.

Hope your move goes well.

ntseer read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 9:12 PM

JQPublix...I did not think you did...just wanted to clarify for al who might read our statements. Thanks.

mayberryman
Jan 4, 2008 | 12:23 PM

Civil unions are NOT equivalent to marriage. And the dog metaphor--unparallel analogy, and a logical fallacy. Marriages are recognized by the church (and you have made it painfully obvious that certain denominations will never do so, as is their right), but civil unions are recognized by legal/civic (i.e. SECULAR) authorities. Civil unions and marriages are mutually exclusive, and to conflate them is a gross error in nomenclature.

UncommonValor
Jan 5, 2008 | 12:58 PM

Funny, I equate civil unions to be equivalent to common law marriages. No one says you are married; however, let one die and the other reaps the benefits. After six months of being together, the property becomes community property to be divided equaly upon "separation". At least, that is the way I understand it.

ntseer read my blog view my photos
Jan 19, 2008 | 10:32 AM

Merriam-Webster says, in part, "equivalent" is: "...to have equal power...", and "like in signification or import...."

Religion does recognize civil unions--they are performed by Justices of the Peace every day. However, they are called "Marriages," just as when performed in a religious setting (otherwise, lots of folks are going to be surprised to learn they are not married!).

Likewise, government recognizes marriages, though performed by religious authority, for the only authority religion has to "marry," is by governmental decree.

Civil unions and marriage are not identical, but they are equivalent. They accomplish the same ends.

mayberryman
Jan 23, 2008 | 4:14 PM

But they ARE NOT equivalent--they do not have "equal power" because religious institutions do not recognize them. The are equvalent in legal terms ONLY.

ntseer read my blog view my photos
Jan 23, 2008 | 5:47 PM

If you mean by "them," homosexual unions, you are right. We (I speak for my own brand of "religious institution"), reject their union, but not because they are performed by government, but because they are contrary to the commands of our God. Seems to me then that the question is begged...doesn't matter who authorizes homo-unions, religion or government, God rejects them. (Why would homos want religion to recognize their union, when God has cursed them?)

They do have equal power in every respect except with the only true and living God, and consequently, with Bible believing people who agree with God, "Let God be true and every man a liar." Who joins them has no bearing on the matter of whether they have equal power.

ntseer read my blog view my photos
Jan 28, 2008 | 6:23 PM

Ref. to the "bleep-out" in my previous comment: I suppose political correctness necessitated the site administrator bleeping out the word I used. However, I want all to understand that it was not a curse word, and was not a word I intended to be profane toward those who might involve themselves in same-sex unions. I disagree with them, but I have compassion toward them, desiring they find God's power to turn from their error.

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My name is O. Wilburn Swaim. I am a retired independent Baptist pastor, now residing in the town of Walnut Cove. With some physical limitations, my ministry is restricted, but I continue available for limited preaching and teaching ministry. I hold a Bachelors degree from Piedmont Baptist College, Winston-Salem, NC, and a Masters and Doctorate from Andersonville Baptist Seminary. I am rejoicing in 48 years of marriage to my first wife, Faye. We are responsible for three children, four grandchildren (the latest one born on March 3rd), and three great-grand children. I'm saved by the grace of God, and ever grateful to Him for eternal life, and for so many of His children as my friends. Of course, I appreciate your visiting my blog site. Please read, and leave your comments. Also, check out my son's, Jody's, blog at: www.jodephus.blogspot.com
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