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 Oil Robber Barons -- Douglas ChickAt the gas pumps in this morning, I stare at the swiftly spinning dials, and the cycle of anger begins. Oil Robber Barons strike at the pumps again. I check out at the grocery store, Oil Robber Barons impact the food I eat. I come home and watch the nightly news, Oil Robber Barons, Oil Robber Barons, something about Hilary and Obama, Oil Robber Barons.

It is true that we are a capitalistic society, and our country enjoys the luxury of a free market, but when our economy is driven by Oil Robber Barons, where is the line between a free market society and out of control greed?

The countries that regulate thier oil sales, have a stronger dollar then the U.S. (They are financially stronger than the United States.) Why, because they know their economy is based off the cost of fuel. Do we need the same regulations to protect our country, or do we allow Oil Robber Barons to drive down America until we are a weak, over inflated, hollow country, dependant on the generosity of other nations? 

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caddyboy read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 11:46 AM

"Do we need the same regulations to protect our country, or do we allow Oil Robber Barons to drive down America until we are a weak, over inflated, hollow country, dependant on the generosity of other nations? "

We are almost their my friend. I think I will see your scenario played out in my lifetime.

caddyboy read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 11:47 AM

typo,
there

gadget410 read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 11:51 AM

"We have met the "Enemy" and he is "US".....we have made the "Oil Robber Barons" as you call them what they are. We continue as a whole to buy gasoline at a huge rate even though the price has doubled. If you want to impact the oil prices at the pump get a more fuel efficient car, trip plan, ride share, or use public transportation whenever possible so that you use less... don't buy disposable items that are petroleum based opt for non petroleum or recycled products. The products that are consumable throwaways that use petroleum also contribute to the price of a barrel of crude.......it isn't all made into gasoline and diesel fuel. The problem is we as whole don't want to do any of those things I listed. The government can do very little to change prices, if they tax the profits that the oil companies are making it will be passed on to the end consumer. If you don't believe this look at the "gas guzzler" tax on cars it is simply added to the sticker price of the car the manufacturer doesn't pay the consumer does......so ask yourself who will all of this planned government intervention really affect.....not the oil companies.

bleechers read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 4:28 PM

It's called "supply and demand." We wouldn't allow ourselves to drill. We wouldn't allow ourselves an alternate source of energy (nuclear). We wouldn't allow ourselves to build refineries. You see the results.

What do you recommend? Tax them? All they'll do is pass on the cost to us. They have investors. They have employees. They have costs. They don't set the price of oil.

Ethanol is driving up the price of food. Ethanol is costly to produce and is a bigger polluter than gasoline. It demands much from the corn market (restricting supply, driving demand)so all products made from corn or corn-based ingredients (high fructose corn syrup, etc.) rise in price. The government is messing with the market.

EVERY attempt by the government to "control" gas prices since the 70s has been a disaster. I suggest we slash gas taxes (at the pump and at the corporate level.

The strength of the dollar does not necessarily reflect the strength of the economy... neither does the trade balance. I believe the last consecutive positive trade balance for the US was during the Depression (another time that raising taxes and raising tariffs was given as a "solution"... how'd that work out?).

gadget410 read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 4:42 PM

bleechers, you bring up some good points, one of which is ethanol. When you say ethanol is a bad gasoline substitute because it is dirtier that is incorrect. The fuel burns much cleaner than gasoline and is better for the environment.... IF...... it does not come from corn. You mentioned the food vs. fuel issue and you are correct about that. Corn yield of ethanol vs. energy required to produce the corn is where the dirty comes in. The emissions from the fossil fuels and petrochemicals to grow the corn is what makes the ethanol such a poor energy return fuel. The best way to produce ethanol is from switchgrass a basic weed but it has all of the cellulose and sugars needed to make great ethanol and doesn't require very much fossil fuel to farm it. Switchgrass ethanol has a great energy balance, but because of corn lobbyists here we are with rising corn prices and overall dirty ethanol. Check out this link.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/0801091106
29.htm

Axekick read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 6:21 PM

Good night John boy!

gadget410 read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 9:29 PM

Axe, if you ever watched the show the Walton's.... and I did when they went through the depression and the war "Everybody, even the filthy rich Baldwin sisters" were affected by the short supply of gasoline and petroleum products. Eventually you will be too!
Goodnight to you to John Sr. and give Olivia a hug for me!

caddyboy read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 8:40 AM

Good night Mary Ellen!

cook2712 read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 11:53 AM

Why dont we import gasoline and diesel fuel instead of crude oil??

HankHill read my blog
May 8, 2008 | 3:01 PM

Interesting
This is just another opinion, and it is about the only thing that I can say is actually mine.
It is not about America and changing our habits so much. Sure I guess it would help.
Compare China's market demand to ours.
I am going to get a bit off track but I am attempting to make a point.
God at some point may decide to speak to the world but it just may not be the US is the happening point.
Received an email the other day from a friend and I guess she thought she was doing me a favor by passing along an email from a churchgoer (extreme) about Obama being the antichrist. Nuts as I think this woman churcher is and I do think she is playing out of bounds, I just do not think everything is about the US. Not anymore.
WW2 was won because we as a nation had manufacturing facilities that could gear quickly over to a wartime effort. We do not have that any more. People seem more knowledgeable and more opinionated, not that that is a bad thing. Hopefully that is a positive.
Things are a changing. They have done changed and the world is a different place. China's economic raw material usage demands and dictates a lot. Look what the steel we import from China has done to us. We inspect none of it and accept it as labeled to specs. We have no inspectors looking at it and it is not up to standard specs. This steel holds up bridges and roofs of schools. Lets go back to the beginning of this little tidbit...that we import steel from China.
I am more in agreement with bleechers we have done it to ourselves by decisions we have made. As we all know change does not ha

HankHill read my blog
May 8, 2008 | 3:02 PM

As we all know change does not happen over night. So when this nation finally becomes more interested in providing for itself rather than the NAU or SPP or a NAFTA highway and attempts to start making changes regarding our resources and alternative fuels much time would pass before you actually feel it.
How does $7 - $8 a gallon gas sound?
It is a realistic probability in the near future.
As long as those in the market are allowed to project pricing and make money doing it prices will continue to rise.
Ysterday crude was around $120, there about plus or minus a barrel. Look at what it has done over the past few months. Projections are $200 soon
Like the weather, too many things play a part in this and we have done nothing to help ourselves.

douglaschick21 I have to ask you why is it I never see much response from you once you begin a post?

bleechers read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 11:17 PM

The price of gasoline will only rise in proportion to what the demand will allow.

As for ethanol, the end result is what I was referencing as that is all that matters. Thanks for the other info. At the end of the day, the government love affair with ethanol has been a disaster on every front: pollution, food prices, gas prices, subsidies, etc. If the market demands cleaner ethanol production, it will happen. It cannot be forced, however.

The love affair with ethanol has led them away from much better solutions. Government is not the market. It drives no innovation, it responds to no forces.

Axe's arguments are just too much for me. What logic could possibly counter attacks on a fictional family living during the Depression?

gadget410 read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 1:00 AM

bleechers, I agree completely that things can't be forced that is why it is going to be up to individuals to make the changes that make a difference, but right now on the large scale of the population they have Axe's attitude, the guys like myself and many of you are the 5-7% the rest go on doing just what they have taking money from something else to fill the SUV and keep on driving or use credit cards to fill the gap.

Axekick read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 5:54 AM

With the first quarter numbers I have been reading about if we all cut our gas usage by 50% the oil companies have made enough money to wait us out. You guys are really ignorant to the fact of just how much money moves everything around us. So you will know the Walton’s thing is humor (I hated that show), and for those who didn’t recognize that well that could be one of your main problems! Think about this water is a natural resource wars have been fought over water (can you say drought) now how can you charge a price for a natural resource? You are not charged for water you are charged for the pressure it takes to pump that water into your house and if your are fortunate enough to have a well you are and irritant to city government because you are cutting in on their revenue I say this to make a point these alternative sources of energy we like to talk about will not come to pass until they can figure out a way to make huge profits from the process, the same mentality that fights free education is the same mentality that fights anything we can’t put a price tag on. I have a hunting cabin totally of the grid using only the sun and wind for power it is a very liberating thing but I need gas for my four wheeler! Maybe I should buy a horse nah you people have turned me against animals.

bleechers read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 9:28 AM

gadget, you're right. But if people want to shift their money that way, there will be no effect on demand. Eventually the demand for more efficient vehicles will increase. The market takes time. The government's solutions are all short term help, long term disasters.

SUV sales are down. Hybrid and smaller car sales are up. Ove time, the market will take care of gasoline prices if it is allowed to function unhindered. Taxing oil profits would be a disaster.

I bought the low-watt "green" bulbs, not to save the environment, but to save money. I restrict the use of my A/C for the same reason. The market will only bear a certain price of gasoline.

The best thing government could do would be to get out of the industry's way, let them build refineries in the US and let them drill here. The one thing the market does not have direct access to is hostile governments in the Middle East (and South America). That is why we need to use American resources like coal and our own oil.

We buy oil from Mexico and Canada which is another reason to support NAFTA.

gadget410 read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 8:20 PM

bleechers, I agree that we should not try to tax windfall profits of the oil companies to try to cover the price increases. The problem with your other idea is that I don't think it it is sustainable. In the U.S. we produce about 8.3 million barrels of oil per day.......but WE CONSUME 20 MILLION BARRELS PER DAY! A DEFICIT OF 11.7 MILLION BARRELS! There is no way unless we have a huge technological breakthrough that biofuels, coal to gas, and anything else currently in use can make up for our importation level. If we could convince people to drive smarter and buy the more efficient vehicles cutting our 20 million barrel thirst down we might be able to sustain ourselves without importation. Canada's tar sand require much more refining energy to make oil, but when you factor in fueling a tanker and transporting the oil they are cheaper. Mexico can't be fully depended on either the Cantarell

gadget410 read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 8:24 PM

Oil field the largest in Mexico has fell in less than a year from 1.99 million barrels a day to 1.44 million barrels per day and is predicted to fall further as their supply starts to dwindle. I am a firm believer that individuals, NOT big government and big oil will make the difference in this energy crisis.

bleechers read my blog view my photos
May 11, 2008 | 12:00 AM

We don't utilize the vast coal reserves in the US.

People don't need to be convinced to "drive smarter," the market is already doing that. SUV sales are down and people are carpooling more, etc. The supply problems coupled with the slowing of demand will eventual force energy companies to seek solutions. They are the experts and they have to adapt to survive. The government does not function that way.

If the market and the oil companies were allowed to function without threats from the government or pressure to chase subsidized government selected solutions, need for profit would advance the needed technology.

The Pharmaceutical companies pump billions into research because of the necessity to bring returns to investors. Thus, we get the great advances that we have.

Politicians deciding for political reasons that ethanol is the answer, will only lead to disaster.

Axekick read my blog view my photos
May 11, 2008 | 7:34 AM

Yeah that’s it let the oil companies research themselves out of business. I’m sure they will be receptive to that. Hey we made profits of 700 billion last year let’s say we take that money and invest in alternative energy sources! I have co-workers who have sold their SUV’s for a Honda and now they drive more than before I pointed that out to one of them after hearing about his weekends of sightseeing North Carolina his 30 mpg Honda has given him a false sense of saving money. He got offended but in the end he admitted he had put 2,800 miles on that car in two months. In contrast I drove 1,680 miles in the last two months I get 17 mpg on the highway, @ $3.69 a gallon I spent $364.57 while he spent $344.27 I’ll eat that $20.30 with no car payment and the reduction on property tax and on top of all that I had enjoyable weekends trolling around the lake with my family and sipping Crown royal out on the deck!

gadget410 read my blog view my photos
May 11, 2008 | 12:44 PM

Let's see AXE that equates to about 5.5 gallons he saved. There are over 190,000,000 drivers. If everyone saved just 5.5 gallons your $20 worth of booze. The gallons saved would be 1,045,000,000 that is billion not million. The dollar amount at $3.69 a gallon would be $3,856,050,000 dollars, I'll take that any day. You don't have to buy a new car either mine is 15 years old bought second hand for $2,500 and gets 31-33 mpg on the highway. I'll bet that SUV or truck of yours with the boat won't get better than 13mpg on the highway. If you would conserve and drive something more efficient during the work week and we could convince other people to do the same, I could afford to join you on the lake with my boat and catch fish and drink all weekend long.

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