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This subject requires far more than a blog entry, but I submit it here for personal reflection.

A corresponding entry on Bible Study can be found: HERE
An entry on "Statements of Faith" was not featured by WGHP. It can be read: HERE


The Workings of the System

In my family we've participated in many of the “normal” activities associated with American Evangelicalism today. We've sent our kids to AWANA and they go to Vacation Bible School and other church-sponsored activities. However, I am careful not to let them get caught up in any “system.”

The “system” is not all bad. It can provide some of the activities mentioned above. But there is much about the “system” that is detrimental to the life of a Christian and to the calling of the church. More precisely, I should say “systems” as there are many variations, some more damaging and stifling than others.

Stuck on the Foundation

Most Evangelical systems provide the foundation. They preach Christ. This is commendable. They feel compelled to bring the gospel of the grace of God to the lost. They believe that they should teach Bible verses to their young. All this is praiseworthy. But I fear that while the “system” may bring babes into the truth, the very design of the system is to keep them babes.

I’ve functioned in and around a number of these systems in my life. They all have one thing in common (to one degree or another); they all hinder one’s ability to follow the biblical command in Paul’s final epistle to the church that the individual must “study to show [himself] approved unto God.” Even the seminary student is placed in a system that requires Him to study within the boundaries of his denomination. And in the end, he takes his place in a seat of authority exalted above the laity; often never reaching beyond what he was taught within the seminary walls. The great apostle's command to study is laid aside.

We Must Make It Our Own

Surely, young believers need to be nurtured in the faith, but even they must drink the milk of the Word and make the truths of God their own. Coming to a saving knowledge of Christ after 25 years in a certain “system” and after years of religious education and years of doing my own teaching in the system, I found myself believing in the deity of Christ, but with no unalterable basis for this. That is, I knew the “argument” and the “proof texts” for the doctrine, but I had never made the doctrine my own through a careful study of the Word. I had to settle the issue for myself.

As Dr. Bullinger wrote: “Each one must look out the reference for himself. He must trace the words through all their occurrences where these are given; he must consider their usages; he must read the contexts; he must make his lists and tables, and do his countings for himself: for so only can he feed upon the Word and the words, and be nourished, and be strengthened himself, and grow thereby: so only will he be able to say with Jeremiah: 'Thy words were found and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of my heart'."

The Danger of Application Teaching

Even local churches that boast of "going through the Bible" have descended into merely application teaching. Almost all texts are used for "daily application" without regard to context or primary interpretation. In the system I've been in for the last five years, it seems as though every message taken from anywhere in the Bible is melted down to a variation of one of four topics. Context and interpretation are ignored and application is substituted for study.

Now, not all application is bad. Of course a study of the Word should impact our lives. But if we do not seek the context and proper interpretation of a passage how then can we properly apply it?

Pre-Conditioned to Seek a System

Having come to a knowledge of salvation through my own personal study of the scripture and through the preaching of grace by faithful men, I somehow believed I needed to then be part of a “system.” Having fought the gospel of grace for years, my conversion was sure because I had spent years trying to disprove what I had now accepted. I set out to settle the issue of eternal life for myself and was thus planted firmly in the truth. This is the pattern (settling doctrines for myself) that was sacrificed as I joined different systems.

One thing that has puzzled me in my 17 years in the Body has been the appalling lack of biblical curiosity among people who have been in the church 20, 30, 40 or even 50 years. I am a firm believer that since God commanded us to “study,” He therefore knows that we don’t know everything. I am not looking for these men to have absolute and infallible knowledge of the Bible, rather I am looking for men who have wrestled with the scriptures, who have asked questions, sought answers on their own and who continue this worthy endeavor. Sadly, I have found precious few who have such desires and I blame the systems.

Indoctrinating the Young into the System

I see young Christians being called “missionaries” before they are even teenagers. I see them forced into roles that the “system” applauds when these young hearts have no idea why they believe what they profess to believe. Their piety serves the “system” and serves their parents’ egos in the “system.” Again, I am generalizing for the sake of space, but my experience is that my characterization is the norm rather than the exception.

This moving of the young quickly through the system seems to have worsened in recent years. The need for approval from the community and the explosion of emotion-based youth programs have led to a dearth of scripturally competent young adults. I’ve worked with college-aged Bible Study leaders who were unable to pass the most basic Bible knowledge test. I have been shocked at the gross level of Bible ignorance among teenagers who have been raised in the Evangelical churches.

The call for Christians to defend the faith is almost unheard of in American youth programs. A defense of the faith, if desired at all, is left to the “professionals” in the “system.” And the professionals essentially consist of seminary graduates who formally learned whatever “system” they were in; studying the works of others for two to four years.

Be a Berean

If our apostle, Paul, was not above being questioned (Acts 17). If the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter, was able to be accused "to his face for he was in the wrong" (Gal 2), surely we are all open to question. In fact, the Holy Spirit calls the Bereans "noble" for searching Paul's words against the scriptures. In grace, can we not even talk about these issues?

I recently attended a denominational “revival” in which the preacher bragged about his degree and the “thousands” of sermons he has preached in 32 years as a Pastor. He then proceeded to preach a message full of Greek mythology and errant sophisms that any untaught 15-year-old could have given. That night I could not have approached that man questioning his interpretation, but when I preached from that same pulpit months later, contradicting his interpretation, no one bothered to question me. We bow and scrape to the pulpit.

But worse than any of that is the system’s tendency to stifle bible study. The “system” may offer a myriad of Bible Studies, Bible Study Books and Bible Study Guides… but they all have hidden walls and more often than not the questions associated with these Bible Studies are more introspective than interpretive.

On the few occasions when I have approached speakers with simple questions about their teachings, I have been dismissed and then badgered with questions from the adherents asking what seminary I have attended. This is often followed by a recitation of the speaker's "credentials."

God is On Your Side

If seminary graduates from different systems cannot even agree on the doctrine of baptism or on whether Christ is eternal God, why would we ever conclude that such degrees are trump cards, stifling all questions? If the seminaries have no answers, we must find them for ourselves. When we stand before God, there will be no seminary grad to answer for us.

God wants us to study. He knows we are fallible and weak. If we truly seek, we will crawl ever closer to illumination. But if we surrender the call and command to study for ourselves, we will have no reward before God.

Struggling with a verse or a passage is normal, but if our response is to hand God the phone number to the church office, there will be neither illumination nor praise from Him.


A corresponding entry on Bible Study can be found: HERE
An entry on "Statements of Faith" was not featured by WGHP. It can be read: HERE


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gstrader read my blog view my photos
May 26, 2008 | 12:28 AM

I have found in my own walk of Faith, to be that essential need as you have expressed.
We must "seek out our salvation in fear, and trembling."
There are but a few truths that I have learned in my search for God's Truth. The number one truth is that of HIS never ending and abiding love for us, as a collective, and as persons. The other truth is the operation of the Spirit of Grace, for Grace has taught me that I will never arrive in this life,to that which God
wants me to be. The other truth is that if I were able to do it, then there would have been no need for Christ to be crucified.
I have spoken the language of Angels, been transported to the gate of heaven,been brought through danger of a certain death, all the while GOD held my hand. It is with this first hand knowledge that I stake my claim to eternal life.

bleechers read my blog view my photos
May 26, 2008 | 10:11 AM

Grace's greatest lesson is that we were, are and will remain fallible in this life. Isn't that a wonderful discovery? From what you've written, you know that blessing!

God wants us to study. As we work out our salvation (not "for" but "out") as we race for the prize, He attends our way. If we surrender our place in that race or our responsibility in that work and try and substitute a church or a teacher or a system, we will find ourselves with little to show.

Thank you for emphasizing grace! If Christians would grasp the glory found in grace, then the journey would be filled with more joy knowing God knows our limitations.

gstrader read my blog view my photos
May 28, 2008 | 11:59 PM

Yes indeed! That Truth, more than any other sets us Free!

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
May 29, 2008 | 11:58 AM

Bleech, as you talked about youth, just wanted to mention about our youth at our church. Built a large you center with full size basketball court and a large meeting room. They meet every Wed. They have about 30 people coming only about 5 from our church and the rest comes to play basketball. 20 minutes of teachings and 2 hours basketall.

OUR YOUTH ARE A LAZY BUNCH, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Any thing that needs to be done is done by the older people. Any monies needed is given by the older adults. They will not even empty a trash can that they filled up. Sometimes on Saturdays we have a clean up day, the you don't show up, just the older members. We had trash cans sitting around outside the center. They would fill them up and let them run over and dogs would get into them and spread it everywhere. Guess what? I removed them and hauled them off. The youth today is a lazy and non caring selfish bunch, I don't care what some of the people say on here. I have seen it too many times.

We do need to study to show ourselves approved.
Jesus said that.

bleechers read my blog view my photos
May 29, 2008 | 4:48 PM

Here is the URL for the link that is not working:

http://community.myfoxwghp.com/blogs/bleechers/2008/04/
25/All_Things_Are_Not_Equal


Thanks for the comments, Kitty. I hope to add some thoughts to your thoughts when I get a few moments!

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
May 30, 2008 | 7:46 AM

Great!

bleechers read my blog view my photos
May 30, 2008 | 5:30 PM

One of the things that youth programs refuse to understand is that no youth program will ever be as "cool" as what the world can offer. It is folly to even try. Trust me, I did not become a Christian because it was "cool," I was converted because I studied the scriptures, examined the evidence and reasoned with both.

I don't blame the youth for their ignorance and sloth. They are often encouraged in both by churches scared of frightening them off. This is why there exists an historic abandoning of the faith by youth program graduates. Well, they can't really abandon the faith since most of them were never taught it in the first place.

High schools and colleges are teaching our youth advanced math, they are asking them to interpret poetry and literature, they are requiring them to pass grade-level exams... we treat them like 2nd-graders.

The church has failed because we have no faith in the scripture. We've bought the lie that without entertainment, Christianity has nothing to offer. I have nothing against entertainment, in its place, but an understanding of truth is what will keep the youth in the faith.

My complaint against contemporary music in not in the beat, it is in the often simplistic messages and pop-theology that permeate it.

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
May 30, 2008 | 10:02 PM

A lot of the Churches around where I live has the attitude to use whatever it takes it get them in Church. Softball team, Basketball etc.Give them coffee and doughnuts or just whatever.

Some of the songs sung in our Church by the youth I can't understand the words they are singing. I am a church musician and I can't even play most of the songs. When our youth leader sings he want everyone to stand up as he sings, but whenever someone else sings, is he standing and praising the Lord? Never. That sort of thing is what I don't understand. I just can't get anything out of most of the contempory music. There has been many a soul that has been saved hearing Amazing Grace or Just as I am. Jesus, Paul, and many others referred back to the scriptures in the OT. I use several Bibles to reference certain scriptures that I don't quite understand. And I will dig until I find it, and usually I do.
We'll talk some more late, going to bed early tonight.

thanks for replying

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
May 30, 2008 | 10:11 PM

ps I TOTALLY AGREE ON WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT OUR CHURCHES. PARENTS ARE ALSO PART OF THE BLAME. YOUR GOOD DEEDS ARE NOT GOING TO GET YOU THERE, A GOOD DEED DONE IN SECRET YOU WILL BE REWARDED OPENLY. tHERE ARE SOME IN CHURCHES THAT HAVE TO HAVE HIS HAND IN EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON {and mouth}. They have something to say about everything and everybody. These people I ignore. The lord said we have to love everybody, even out enemies, but we don;t have to sit and break bread with them. I cannot defend anyone that I know in my heart that is not in the right. But if you are right, I will defend you until it is resolved or I will did out the truth and prove it to you.

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
May 30, 2008 | 10:19 PM

We raised money for our youth to go to Carrpowinds. Who do you think raised the money? The older people sold chicken pies had meals for sale. Then most of the youth wouldn;t even show up to help out and would not even purchase a meal.They were supposed to haul away the trash away. It sat there for 5 days when I noticed it hadn't been removed. They stood and watched me load up and bagup the maggot infested garbage.

homeschoolmom read my blog view my photos
May 31, 2008 | 8:56 PM

Bleechers, I agree with this in that we do need to study God's word on our own. There are so many that just go to church and listen and believe what they are hearing is true. They never open their Bible outside of church. In order to understand God's word, we have to dig into it.

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
Jun 1, 2008 | 10:17 AM

There is a church in High Point that is saying that there are so many teens out in the world that they are going to bring the things of the world to their church. Smimming pools, sports, even beer so they can party and have a good time. I can't believe this< but it is true.

HSM How do you know that? You are making iuendos about other people. You are just assuming that this happens. Do you really really know this for sure? Think about it.

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
Jun 1, 2008 | 10:20 AM

It' so easy to point the finger at other people when you really don't know the facts. You know what happens when you assume. Everyone has to answer to God for his actions, and each one has a personal relationship. You don't know his relationship. So please don't assume that

homeschoolmom read my blog view my photos
Jun 1, 2008 | 2:09 PM

Mskittykitty, I do know people like this. I have actually had people tell me they don't study on their own because they don't understand it when they study it without someone to explain it to them. I am not judging them, they are the ones that are missing out on finding the truths in the word. It is exciting to dig into the word and find answers to your questions. The blog was making the same point, that some people don't study the Bible. I was just agreeing that there are people that don't, because they are satisfied to just listen to what someone else has learned from studying the Bible. I was just agreeing with that part of the blog and wanted Bleechers to know that I understood where he was coming from.

bleechers read my blog view my photos
Jun 1, 2008 | 2:54 PM

The Ethiopian sought Philip's explanation when he could not understand a passage in Isaiah. But what we should see is that the Ethiopian was studying by himself and already had a firm grasp on the teachings of the prophets.

As noted in my entry, when Paul taught in Thessalonica, his words were true and they were accepted, but he was not tested. In Berea his teachings were tested against the whole counsel of God. Each group received the truth, each group believed... but only the Bereans received praise from God.

We may hold the right doctrines, but if we hold them by identification rather than by personal study and conviction, we shall not receive praise from God.

HSM, I was shocked to enter into Christianity at age 25 to find people much older than I who have been saved since childhood who could neither explain nor defend their beliefs. What if the Ethiopian came to them?

It is OK to say "I don't know" for we all are limited in this life... but it is not OK to say "I don't want to know."

bleechers read my blog view my photos
Jun 1, 2008 | 3:02 PM

Kitty, I readily admit my limitations. I think what HSM was saying is that she laments that there are some (too many) who just don't want to know. They'd rather be "told," for being "told" is a far more comfortable place than the place of "seeking" and "studying."

I think you are saying the same thing. You see too many youth content to be "told" and it bothers you. We do not encourage them or challenge them to "seek." That is not "judging" it is an observation and I agree.

How many times have I heard "well, I'm not a preacher"? We are all commanded, to whatever depth we are capable, of studying to show ourselves approved unto God. We may help one another, we may sharpen one another, but in the end we must personally "eat the word" for ourselves as did Jeremiah.

When I preach I often leave questions unanswered. I challenge commonly held interpretations with scriptures that need to be reconciled. Some take the challenge, but too many sit back and wait to be "told" what to believe.

homeschoolmom read my blog view my photos
Jun 1, 2008 | 4:22 PM

Bleechers, I am glad you understood what I was saying. I was not referring to you. I actually do know people that feel this way. Also, I like your statement: It is OK to say "I don't know" for we all are limited in this life... but it is not OK to say "I don't want to know." I teach both the younger and some teenagers at my church and when they ask me a question that I don't know, I make sure that I find out before the next time we have class. From now on, I will also encourage them to look for the answer in the word as well. Sometimes we do it together in class, but I don't think I have ever said, I would look for the answer, but they should look as well. Thanks for the great blog. It is good to read something on here and learn from it!

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
Jun 14, 2008 | 7:56 AM

We seek understanding of the Bible for the same reason a man seeks to
understand a love letter from his sweetheart. God loves us and desires to
restore our relationship with Him (Matthew 23:37). God communicates His
love to us in the Bible (John 3:16; 1 John 3:1; 4:10).

We seek understanding of the Bible for the same reason a soldier seeks to
understand a dispatch from his commander. Obeying God’s commands brings
honor to Him and guides us in the way of life (Psalm 119). Those commands
are found in the Bible (John 14:15).

We seek understanding of the Bible for the same reason a mechanic seeks
to understand a repair manual. Things go wrong in this world, and the Bible
not only diagnoses the problem (sin) but also points out the solution
(faith in Christ). “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is
eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

We seek understanding of the Bible for the same reason a driver seeks to
understand traffic signals. The Bible gives us guidance through life,
showing us the road of safety and wisdom (Psalm 119:11, 105).

We seek understanding of the Bible for the same reason someone in the
path of a storm seeks to understand the weather report. The Bible predicts
what the end times will be like, sounding a clear warning of impending
judgment (Matthew 24-25) and how to avoid it (Romans 8:1).

We seek understanding of the Bible for the same reason an avid reader
seeks to understand his favorite author’s books. The Bible reveals to us
the person and glory of God, as expressed in His Son, Jesus Christ (Joh

MsKittyKitty read my blog view my photos
Jun 14, 2008 | 8:00 AM

the person and glory of God, as expressed in His Son, Jesus Christ (John
1:1-18). The more we read and understand the Bible, the more intimately we
know the Author.

As Philip was traveling to Gaza, the Holy Spirit led him to a man who was
reading a portion of Isaiah. Philip approached the man, saw what he was
reading, and asked this very important question: “Do you understand what
you are reading?” (Acts 8:30). Philip knew that understanding was the
starting point for faith. Without understanding the Bible, we cannot apply
it, obey it, or believe it.

bleechers read my blog view my photos
Jun 15, 2008 | 2:35 PM

Good thoughts, but we must be careful... If I read a love letter sent to my brother from his girl, I may confuse the thoughts in there as though they were meant for me if I don't read the address on the envelope.

I can learn about the girl from the contents of the letter. I can know what she likes and what she dislikes. But that still does not mean that the letter was addressed to me.

We can learn from Noah, but we don't build arks. We can learn from Israel, but we don't build temples. We can learn from the 12 Apostles, but we don't follow their patterns.

Lastly, we love the Lord, yet we do not blindly follow every "command" he gave or greedily grasp every "promise" he made. We must read the address on the envelope.

Or do we raise the dead and refuse to preach to gentiles? Do we plan on sitting on one of the 12 tribes judging the 12 tribes of Israel? We don't follow those "commands" or claim that "promise" because we realize they were not directed to us... we need to read the Bible the same way.

:)

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bleechers

I enjoy such diverse topics as baseball, history, politics, TV, music, cartoons, pop culture and theology. I am particularly drawn to the Revolutionary period of American history. I attended Page HS and graduated from UNCG. I have played for a number of years in the local music scene and I still record and play original music. I'm an Italian-American, bass-playing Phillies fan father of four!

Member Since: 2/24/2008