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I am sorry; however, I, like the criminals, ignore any signs that say I cannot bring my weapon inside. Anyway, they cannot see it and will not know of it anyway unless I need to use it and then they will probably be so thankful that they will forget that I violated their sign.

As an employee on a college campus, the open nature of the college campus makes it rather easy to perpetrate a VT-like tragedy. But carrying a concealed weapon isn't the answer. Look at it this way--if faculty/staff at, say, WFU are allowed to carry weapons, and a shooter opens fire at the school, and SWAT responds, how do those SWAT team members distinguish good guys from bad? If 40 people are all carrying guns and 39 of them are NOT the shooter, what are the odds the SWAT team gets the right person? Wouldn't the odds be greater that SWAT would shoot one of the "good guys" by mistake?

Hank is correct the only thing needed will be the coroner, it would be over before the 9-1-1 operator would have had time to dispatch anyone the shooter would be down. I have been through CCW training also and afterwards when the police do arrive you are prepared to surrender and be arrested until they sort out what has happened and like Hank said they will not need all of the body bags. I believe that the events would be much less likely to occur because criminals and people with the mindset to do violent actions with a firearm go to places where the odds of their success will be high, usually places that post no weapons concealed or otherwise and like mr.majestic I don't do business with that store, and if I did and something were to happen, as I understand it from some or my lawyer friends, I would have a good lawsuit unless they had armed security of there own. The way I understand it is that a store that posts no weapons or concealed carry signs is guaranteeing the safety of it's patrons with reasonable security, if the don't have their own guards or security officers and won't let you protect yourself, the posting of a sign is not considered to be reasonable security. The criminals already know this and many times act on it.

Hi guys--actually, the post I put down was one that I culled from a buddy of mine--a SWAT team member. That was HIS idea, and I just paraphrased it. Either way, as a gun owner, I'm just not sure guns--regardless of who is carrying them--have a place in the classroom.

Hi gadget, hope things are going well for you. I think there are a lot of common sense types of things we could do. For example, at the CC I teach at, the classroom doors are solid-core oak, but we cannot lock them. There is only one way in and one way out. So if a gunman were to place himself/herself between the students and the door, it's fish in a barrel. This was the situation at tech--the gunman just turned the knob and walked right in. The college is at a turning point--do we remain the open, free learning environment that the college has traditionally been, or do we become a locked and armed camp? I'm not sure what the answer is, but I'm willing to entertain suggestions...

On our campus, weapons have been banned since I have been employed there. I understand why guns are not allowed on our campus. Can you imagine the jealous boyfriend who walks into his girl's dorm room and she is with someone else? Can you just imagine allowing college students who are drunk and arguing to be armed with a gun? I can't. You can't pick and choose who can carry a weapon on a campus.
Actually, I thought all learning institutions had weapons bans. It is against the law to carry a gun on school property, thought. I guess I was mistaken?

Ladyred and Mayberry, and exactly who guarantees that no one on campus has those weapons? The CC in which I work for doesn't check anyone. The high school and grade school across the road also has no one who checks. They may have a resource officer and we have a campus police force but there is no way they could begin to cover the entire campus and students. Oh, they do have up signs "Weapon Free and Drug Free Zone" but without enforcement simply words that only honest and law abiding people will follow in the first place. I also would not allow anyone who has not undergone all of the requirements for a Concealed Carry Weapons Permit to carry a gun on campus. I agree that most of the shooters were intent on killing themselves but they wanted to take as many innocent lives as possible before they did. If just one person who had met all of the CCW requirements had been able to have their gun there the loss of life would have been far less or not at all because these cowards would not look so big and bold to others who think about doing the same act. I would like to see a headline like this "School gunman rampage stopped by armed teachers, gunman's life only casualty" but I know in this liberal society it will probably never happen. I remember the negative comments I had to put up with when I got my permit, yet as was predicted by some there has not been people with CCW permits shooting people in the streets like the old west.

But again, what do you do with someone who has this hero complex, gadget? If there are 80 people on campus and one of them is the shooter, and this shooter begins his/her rampage in building A, and all the armed students/tachers/administrators rush from building B, C, D, and E to stop them, how do you, as one of the heroes, tell who the shooter is? You now have 79 law-abiding heroes who can't tell each other apart. And the advantage goes to shooter...