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Guilford College has been remarkably forthcoming about the racially charged incident that occurred on campus early Saturday morning. The incident, which involved up to 15 football players physically and verbally abusing three Palestinian students, came to light on Monday after three football players were arrested and charged with ethnic intimidation and assault.

On its Web site, the school posted at least two responses to the incident. The second provided a timeline of events and stated the school's official policy and attitude toward crimes of this nature. Guilford College also announced its own investigation into the matter, separate from the legal and criminal one.

It's easy to jump to conclusions on the matter. Some might think the Guilford football players are spoiled kids who feel superior and think they can do what they want and get away with it. But let's not rush to judgment so quickly. In light of recent events surrounding Duke's lacrosse team, we must remember that things aren't always the way they appear at first.

On the other hand, we might be shocked that a so-called hate crime could occur at a school where the Quaker values of nonviolence, peace and tolerance are held in high esteem. But let's not kid ourselves. We're all human, and each of us is capable of doing incredibly evil in the right circumstances. I don't think this incident is any less likely to happen at Guilford than at another, more conservative school.

Right now, it's best to wait and see what the various investigations reveal.
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tomfre29
Jan 24, 2007 | 7:14 PM

I just graduated from Guilford College in December as a CCE adult student. In the 2 years I was at Guilford I was shocked at the type of things that were permitted on campus. There did not seem to be any control over the student body at all. It appeared to me that most of the traditional student body were more involved in war protests and other clubs with no focus on education at all. Some of the clubs have names I would not repeat to my kids. I was very shocked to see that a college with Quaker roots would be as left wing liberal as Guilford is. I am not at all shocked at the recent events concerning the hate crimes. That is what happens when kids are let lose with no guardians or enforced rules. I am glad that I went to Guilford, but I can see that they do not have any control of their traditional student body at all.

Champion1788
Jan 24, 2007 | 7:58 PM

"The Guilford football players are spoiled kids who feel superior and think they can do what they want and get away with it."

We are all entitled to our opinions about others, but as a member of the so called "spoiled kids who feel superior" a.k.a. Guilford College football team, i believe this statement to be untruthful, hurting, and unfounded. I happened to be in Boone, NC when this inncident occured and have heard many stories, form your own. But to start name calling is childish. I am 18 years old and believe you should be ashamed of yourself.

FOX8WebTeam read my blog view my photos
Jan 24, 2007 | 8:19 PM

Champion, if you read the post above carefully, you'll see the sentence you object to is simply an example of one of the conclusions someone might prematurely jump to. Two sentences later, I mention the Duke lacrosse scandal, which should have taught everyone a lesson about just assuming college athletes are spoiled.

I'm going to alter my post to clarify what I wanted to say.

blackomega
Jan 24, 2007 | 10:14 PM

I agree with Champion1788. If the quoted sentence is an example, it should be prefaced as such. I know some of the football players and they are the exception to that statement.

gcstudentathlete
Jan 24, 2007 | 11:30 PM

As a Guilford College student athlete I have been appalled by the reaction to this incident by not only the student body but also the media. Most of the students that are so intent on screaming hate crime are extremely uninformed about the actual occurance of events that night. No, I did not witness the fight the fight but I withhold judging or condemning the parties of either side until all accounts are fully investigated. It seems that even the news has not refrained from prematurally passing judgement. All of the articles and stories I have viewed on the television have been biased and from the most part over victimizing one party why already passing the other off as guilty. From the eyewitness accounts I have heard it was Osama who struck first, taking off his belt and hitting one of the football player. Osama himself has admitted this Also there were no brass knuckles involved in the fight, these so called brass knuckles were actually a watch. I am not saying that it is ok to beat anyone, I hate violence just much as anyone, but you also have to realize that mistakes were made on both sides. I know both of the parties that were involved. Faris and Osama are good guys, I like them a lot, and no doubt they did not deserve this, but as much as I like them they sometimes tend to look for fights. I also know one of the football players who has been arrested, and he is a good guy. He does not deserve to be slandered all across the news when he has not yet been convicted of anything. So get your story straight, stop being one sided, and stop trying to use this un

gcstudentathlete
Jan 24, 2007 | 11:31 PM

unfortunate event as an excuse to get all riled up and protest a hate crime that didn't occur. Further the student body needs to discontinue their DISCRIMINATION against the athletes of this campus. We are your classmates, and your equals. We get no special treatment, we work hard at our classes, our sports, and our held accountable for all our mistakes just like you. So any divide that has been created on this campus has not been created by me or by any of my teammates. So the question I pose to you is who is hating who right now?

ThackerAgency read my blog view my photos
Jan 25, 2007 | 12:18 AM

It is the media's job to stir up controversy. You know, if it bleeds it leads. Remember that nobody John Mark Karr? The whole Duke rape case is also a product of the media. The media in America is absurd. They make up stories to get ratings. They hire attractive anchors to get ratings - a Rupert Murdoch staple. "NEWS" is really just 'infotainment' these days.

This is just a fight. These "victims" probably picked this fight (as the Palestinians in Israel often do and claim victimhood just like this). It's too bad it happened, but I'm certain that 'just a fight' isn't good enough for the media.

I also can't imagine the football players at Guilford getting any special treatment at all. I don't even think they have scholarships. I can't really believe I read the mention of "spoiled kids who feel superior". It's not like they are Carolina players.

Shame on the media . . . AGAIN

gcstudent
Jan 25, 2007 | 1:15 AM

I was in Bryan Hall on this night. I did not see anything but a massive swarm of people before I turned and walked shamelessly back inside. This is not what Guilford College is about. But I have heard from multiple credible sources that Faris, who has tended to pick fights in the past, extended his hand as an effort to make peace as he was told to do the next time he was in the situation where a fight was starting. Then namecalling ensued, along with shoving, and the first blow. After that, it was a mobbing of three Palestinians during which hateful words were used such as "terrorist" and "sand BLEEP." Now, there is a premise and a solid case for a hate crime. So you all need to get your facts straight before you come on here talking like you were there, or like it is an athlete vs. non-athlete thing. It is an issue between assaulters and victims, and that is that.

derek234
Jan 25, 2007 | 9:04 AM

I'd be very interested in learning IF and how the Palestinians and/or the football players provoked incident or lied about it etc... Before jumping to conclusions and reflexive reactions of racism etc...

Extrmist (not all) Palestinans, Arabs and Muslims on campusses throughout the US have often provoked hatred and violence on US campusses and athletes have behaved badly all over-- so it's not fair to immediately judge the footballers or ANYONE in this or any case.

Patience and time and hopefully some honesty, will tell what happened at Guilford.

Champion1788
Jan 25, 2007 | 9:20 AM

i agree with gcstudent as this SHOULDN'T be an athlete v. non athlete deal, BUT SHAMEFULLY IT IS. people of this campus want to come together as a community, yet none of the students have included athletes in conversation. being a football player here, i was in boone at the time and have numerous times been yelled at and cussed out, just because i am a football player. equality? community? you must be joking.

Champion1788
Jan 25, 2007 | 9:29 AM

p.s.-thank you for claryifing your statement

ConcernedGCstudent read my blog
Jan 25, 2007 | 9:45 AM

I agree Champion, there has always been a division of athletes and non atheltes on Guilford's campus. I mean as a former GC football player we were really a minority on campus. We did not go off and protest George Bush, the majority of us quite frankly did not accept the "liberal" lifestyle that the majority of the student body did, and if it was not for football most of us would not have been there. For this we were often the outcasts on campus in that we do not follow the stereotypical "Guilford Image" also many times professors on campus think that most of us fit into the stereotype of the "Dumb Jock" category and for that made it a little more difficult for us. It seems to me that the rest of the Student body believes in equality but only if the equality includes people of like lifestyles and social groups and does not include the athletes.

I am in no way shape or form defending these players. Many people claim this was a hate crime and that there are liars and a coverup occuring. I applaud the administration for their handling of the situation they are waiting to get all the facts before speaking out yet many believe that because of the pace they are moving they are covering it up.

To me, it seems that this might have been an isolated incidence that was worsened by already heightened tensions between non-athletes and athletes made worse by factors like alcohol.

I think patience and understanding are the best way to combat this. Remember Duke lacrosse things are not as they first appear. Also I propose that the regular Guilford students give athletes a chance

micholina06
Jan 25, 2007 | 2:59 PM

I think it is absurd that the Guilford students are so quick to call a protest on a matter that has not even been resolved and when all of the information has not been revealed to everyone. I thought Guilford students were against prejudice and I believe that is what they are full of when they claim we need to "stop the hate" when they don't even know the full story and look at the issue one sided. And I think it ridiculous that Guilford students are walking out of class to protest that this incident isn't being called a Hate Crime. It's as if they don't want the administrators to investigate to get the real story and just want to label the situation after very few days of the occurence. Personally I feel these anxious, quick impressioned students need to be more mature about the whole scenerio and grow up.

raines96
Jan 25, 2007 | 5:40 PM

I have to praise school officials for trying to make sure the people responsibly for this attack are the ones that should be punished. If anyone has been paying attention to the accounts as to what has happened they do not add up. And not to take any one side but the one Palenstinian said 20-30 people attacked him. He has even posted his story on his Facebook account. My question is if you are attacked by that many people how do you not come out serverly beaten and how do you determine that 3 people did it and what weapons, if any, they had. If a football that is well built and lift weights uses brass knuckles would the Palestinians not be seriously hurt. I have to say I am not taken sides there are two sides to every story. And we have yet to hear from the players. I will point out that at least two people have said that one of the players was attacked with a belt but the worst of the fight had not started. So if he was attacked should he just walk away or should he not stand up for himself. Most parents teach their children to stand up for them selves and what is right. Who is to say that these three charged was not trying to stop the fight? But the students all seem to be dividing the student body by athletes and non-athletes. Is this not a forum of racism? I would have to say yes. It is not just about the color of your skin but something you’re a part of or participate in. If you do not know them personally how can you label them as spoiled or bad person. My greatest concern is if these three charged are found not guilty of all charges and the truth comes out. Students

Observationtower
Jan 25, 2007 | 5:48 PM

Google search led me to this editorial in the Bennington Banner. It was from a totally different incident but seems to fit: Exerpts follow:
The events of the past week have provided a stark lesson in the dangers of rushing to judgment in an age of 24-hour television talking heads and the Internet.
The lesson? Never, ever rush to judgment. Catch your breath before firing off that letter or e-mail — get all the facts and hear from all sides, no matter how blackly someone paints the situation in the beginning.
One good aspect of the modern media — and there are many — is that the entire attack, counter-attack and counter-counter-attack process of any debate typically runs its course in a matter of days. By that time, many Americans will have changed their minds completely — and some will be embarrassed that they hadn't waited before jumping in.
Thanks for the leaders of Guilford College for investigating and then acting.

Bigbopper75
Jan 25, 2007 | 10:29 PM

This incident should be fully investigated by the police and the Guilford College. How long has the problem existed? Did it start just the other night? Has it been going on for a while. All this hate crime accusation and protesting shouldn't have happened. These people haven't even gone to court. Whatever happened to your innocent until proven guilty. I'm not saying that fighting is a good thing but please find out all the facts before passing judgement.

Bigbopper75
Jan 25, 2007 | 10:29 PM

This incident should be fully investigated by the police and the Guilford College. How long has the problem existed? Did it start just the other night? Has it been going on for a while. All this hate crime accusation and protesting shouldn't have happened. These people haven't even gone to court. Whatever happened to your innocent until proven guilty. I'm not saying that fighting is a good thing but please find out all the facts before passing judgement.

dsdogginger
Jan 25, 2007 | 10:33 PM

It seems to me that the Guilford College administration (and Greensboro law enforcement, for that matter) are so scared of being labeled as racist that they do not really want to know the truth. The magistrate not allowing the parents of the players to press charges against the Palestinians points directly to this fear. I understand with the political climate recently that members of these groups wish to take no risks that would allow a group to label them as "non-PC." However we all must realize that the guilty parties should be held accountable whether or not they are foreigners or footballers.

uscitizen101 read my blog
Jan 25, 2007 | 10:39 PM

I am really tired of officials and media being one-sided in incidents such as this and the Duke Lacrosse story. They have not included the players side of the story. They report the story without all the facts. They try to sway public opinion. I prefer to wait for the facts before making a judgement. I feel that if the Palestinian started the fight and then lied about it, that there should be repercussions to him. He should be the one charged with a hate crime. I am looking forward to the 'truth' coming out, what ever it may be.

TheListener
Jan 25, 2007 | 11:09 PM

To me, this looks like Duke deja vue from a different angle / different city. Whether it is a hate crime or not has yet to be determined, but it appears that many seem more than willing to label it that. The professor that sent out the letter to international students and students of color proves that even though education is great, it does not necessarily mean a person makes intelligent decisions. That professor just staked their career and reputation on this event. If proven not to be a hate crime, she had better be quick to secure an attorney.
I am completely flabbergasted that the players “charges” against the other students were not allowed to be filed. Evidently, charges are filed on a first come, first serve basis. That in itself gives the impression that a certain amount of guilt in this situation has been predetermined by someone. If it is determined to be a hate crime, the players need to be held completely accountable by the college and courts. If the fight was started by the students and this was a response by the players to that violence, then those particular students should be held accountable by the college and in a court of law for filing false charges. Assault charges are one thing. To label it a “hate” crime, opens an entirely different scenario that stirs deeper emotions. Perhaps the players responded to an attack on one of their friends and it got out of control. As of today, we do not know. I’m sure it will take quite a while to get to the bottom of this. Anyone who has kept up with the Duke case should be able to realize by now that a rush to judgme

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